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Brian Jones's avatar

Well stated and concisely explained. If more people actually read the true and simple explanation(s) in the Bible rather than accepting the short-changed, erroneous, and man-made deceptive ones so widespread, more souls could be saved and more people could be true Christians rather than led astray. Many of these have it the other way around as you know and condemn and “preach” against “water baptism,” primarily based on the saved by grace passages, claiming it is a “work.” Many of the same “believe” first, then tack on some version of baptism later. My question to them is how can one be saved by grace without being IN Christ? …Then being baptized to “identify “ with Christ? Is Christ’s blood not part of the grace of God? It is a work, in sense that it is a work approved and commanded by God and Christ and by and through the Holy Spirt too! The New testament has numerous passages that align with the truth of baptism as the proper response in faith to be saved.

Brandon Schmidt's avatar

Michael Heiser said something about Baptism that was interesting to me. He said "Baptism was a loyalty oath and a message to the demonic powers(as well as any people present) of just whose side you were on in the spiritual battle"

This isnt the only thing he said about Baptism and I don't agree with everything he's said. But this was interesting to think about.

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